Dr Tiller’s murder — 9 Comments

  1. I am not quite sure how you’d go about doing that: Teaching everybody to perform abortions. That’s like suggesting that everybody should learn how to repair their own teeth…

  2. Democratize abortions. Forget government aid. Everyone should know how to kill a fetus, then it will be unstoppable. I know this is unpleasant but relying upon bourgeois doctors means that there will be only a handful of rockstar doctors who anti-abortion fanatics can concentrate upon and eliminate.

  3. I don’t know… As I stare at the Gallup charts I am wondering if this is some sort of data error. The pro-choice numbers have been consistently been above 45% and the anti-choice below 45% and now in 2009, they switch dramatically? Seems odd to me. If there had been a downward trend in the pro-life support during the Bush years, it would make more sense. But why this dramatic and unprecedented drop? The top graph also doesn’t seem to be consistent with the graphs below it.

    On the other hand, they mention other surveys: “Americans’ recent shift toward the pro-life position is confirmed in two other surveys.” And

    The source of the shift in abortion views is clear in the Gallup Values and Beliefs survey. The percentage of Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) calling themselves “pro-life” rose by 10 points over the past year, from 60% to 70%, while there has been essentially no change in the views of Democrats and Democratic leaners.

    Why?!? That’s a big shift all the sudden. I guess that’s your point: The anti-choice people are coming out of the wood-works but wouldn’t that have shown up on previous surveys? I mean, assuming that Gallup does the surveying right, their samples are representative samples. And people couldn’t just hide…

    Here’s what Gallup speculates:

    It is possible that, through his abortion policies, Obama has pushed the public’s understanding of what it means to be “pro-choice” slightly to the left, politically. While Democrats may support that, as they generally support everything Obama is doing as president, it may be driving others in the opposite direction.

    Still seems odd…

  4. Excellent point, Wiebes! You are right – one data point does not make a pattern. But if you take a look at the statistics, you’ll see that not only murders went down in quantity, other “extreme violence” did, too.

    Page points out: “During the Bush administration, not only were there no murders, there were no attempted murders. There was one clinic bombing during the Bush years. […] In the last year of the Bush administration there were 396 harassing calls to abortion clinics. In just the first four months of the Obama administration that number has jumped to 1401.”

    I hope all of this is just a coincidence – and, again, you are right to caution us to draw a conclusion based on one murder – but if we include other violence and the change in “chatter,” there is enough evidence pointing to a pattern worth taking note.

  5. I don’t know, I would like to play devils advocate for a second. Murder in 1998, murder again in 2009. Is that really enough data to form a pattern? What if there were attempted murders, or arsons, or other violence against the abortion doctors during that time? It just seems that two cases separated by nine years is not really enough to link it all to Bush vs. Obama.

    Although it’s awful, I don’t think one murder would qualify as as an “uptick in violence”. I mean, technically yes, since it is up from zero, but it is not really a huge trend like hundreds of people breaking the law the day after Obama took office.

  6. Yes, I agree — this was horrible and shocking, and it made me feel like I was living in the ’90s again (when I really did live in Kansas!).


    — Lisa

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